Дырка в Gtk+

Re: Дырка в Gtk+

а примеры оных програм не входящих в gnome(не пользую я его) может кто привести?
имеются ввиду те, которым необходим suid, а не просто suid-ные по-умолчанию в
каком-нибудь странном дистрибутиве :)

Re: Дырка в Gtk+

Все это фигня. Завтра Owen Taylor запостит об[яснения почему это не считается ошибкой (да и солюшены есть - просто запретить загрузку gtk модулей в s*id софте) И мне вообще кажется, что любую слинкованную динамически s*id программу можно юзать для эксплойтов (я способ этот не проверял): пишем динамическую либу, которая содержит определение функции strlen (например) (подмена strlen будет вызвать 'rm -rf /', например), ставим в $LD_PRELOAD полное путевое имя этой либы (ну и если не катит, добавляем путь к той либе в LD_LIBRARY_PATH) и зовем любую с*идную программу которая может звать strlen (а это - каждая программа). В результате этого, как только суидная программа вызвает strlen, произойдет вызов подменившей ее функции. Все. Конечно, можно линковать статически - но это не спортивно.

hvv (03.01.2001 16:29:04)

Re: Dyrka v Gtk+

2hvv: RTFM

alt-x (03.01.2001 16:42:53)

Re: Re: Дырка в Gtk+

Ну если бы это было так, то речь шла бы не о дырках в защите, а о полном отсутвии таковой. На самом деле для setuid/setgid программ LD_PRELOAD и LD_LIBRARY_PATH игнорируются, смотрятся только /etc/ld.so.conf и /etc/ld.so.preload

-- Илья

Re: Дырка в Gtk+

ОК, спасибо за корректировку. Прогнал я (вернее, не делал RTFM).

hvv (03.01.2001 18:10:34)

Re: Re: Дырка в Gtk+

gpgp

Re: Дырка в Gtk+

Owen Taylor <otaylor@REDHAT.COM>

What follows is the official GTK+ team position on this matter.  (It
can be found at http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html as well.)  The summary
is that we don't consider it a problem because writing set[ug]id
programs with a GUI toolkit is simply a bad idea and not supported for
GTK+.

We are aware of no commonly distributed GTK+ programs that run
set[ug]id and would consider any such to be security holes. (Note that
GNOME games drop setgid games privileges before initializing GTK+.)

Regards,
                                        Owen Taylor

====

                    Why GTK_MODULES is not a security hole

   GTK+ supports the environment variable GTK_MODULES which specifies
   arbitrary dynamic modules to be loaded and executed when GTK+ is
   initialized. It is somewhat similar to the LD_PRELOAD environment
   variable. However, this (and similar functionality such as specifying
   theme engines) is not disabled when running setuid or setgid. Is this
   a security hole? No. Writing setuid and setgid programs using GTK+ is
   bad idea and will never be supported by the GTK+ team.

   You should not write setuid GTK+ programs because:

     * GTK+ is too big. GTK+-1.2 and its dependent libraries (ignoring
       Xlib) total over 200,000 lines of code. For GTK+-2.0 (ignoring
       Xlib and image loading libraries), this figure will be around
       500,000 lines of code.
     * GTK+ is too complex. GTK+ takes input from dozens of sources, from
       drag-and-drop, to root-window properties, to keyboard input, to
       configuration files. This is a much broader scope for compromises
       than a typical server and makes auditing GTK+ especially tricky.
     * Security of GTK+ requires the security of Xlib. The GTK+ team is
       not prepared to make that guarantee. Security bugs have been found
       in the recent past in such areas of Xlib as the input method code.
     * You should not make your GUI setuid at all. Why run the risk of
       security bugs in code that does not need to be running with
       elevated privileges?

   In the opinion of the GTK+ team, the only correct way to write a
   setuid program with a graphical user interface is to have a setuid
   backend that communicates with the non-setuid graphical user interface
   via a mechanism such as a pipe and that considers the input it
   receives to be untrusted.

   For this reason, no effort is made in GTK+ to disable the obvious ways
   that you could compromise a setuid GTK+ program - GTK_MODULES and the
   ability for the user to specify theme engines, because we consider
   this to be only papering over the fundamental problems of writing
   setuid programs with any GUI toolkit. GTK+ may be modified in the
   future to simply refuse to run with elevated privileges, though it
   does not do this currently.

   Does this mean that there are no security considerations for GTK+? No.
   In particular image loaders have been and will continue to be an area
   of special care, since users may load images from untrusted sources.
   And in addition to the possibility of this variety of exploit, most
   potential security holes are essentially bugs and even as mere bugs,
   must be squashed. To help accomplish this goal, GTK+ extensively uses
   high-level data structure abstractions which minimize the risk of most
   traditional buffer overflows.

   However, the secure setuid program is a 500 line program that does
   only what it needs to, rather than a 500,000 line library whose
   essential task is user interfaces.

   By Owen Taylor <otaylor@redhat.com>
   2 January 2000

maxcom (04.01.2001 14:19:08)